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  1. Phil says:

    I don’t really buy into the argument idea. I genuinely think Nicodemus was intrigued, albeit with a heavy amount of bias and prejudice.

    As for this new tribe exisiting to bless all other tribes – well, this hasn’t really worked out terribly well. Many other tribes have not been blessed. Present-day tribes are in danger of suffering military force at the hands of this tribe.

    I think I know what you’re getting at – that Jesus of this tribe is the One who is to set the record straight and to ensure the true fulfillment of the tribe and what it is meant to be and to bring about the promised blessing of other tribes, which in your interpretation means full acceptance of each and every person by Jesus and therefore God Himself.

    I believe that latter part of this to be true. The convoluted route the tribe has taken to get there confuses me a little – this tribe does seem to take decades or even centuries to meet their own objective! Even a (comparitively) short walk in the desert took them 40 years!

    Sadly, however, while Jesus does accept everyone warts ‘n’ all the church of whatever persuasion does not – that us unless the ‘everyone’ fits into some sort of box, so to speak. Ultimately, this is why people feel alienated from and by the church.

    Once again, not too unlike God’s efforts through the tribe to reach a blessed objective, the present-day church in the most part is Jesus’s obstacle to the true blessing he so wants to bestow.

    It is comforting that those of us who know Jesus away from organised church can find his blessing, along with fellowship in the most surprising of ways.

  2. Phil says:

    I don’t really buy into the argument idea. I genuinely think Nicodemus was intrigued, albeit with a heavy amount of bias and prejudice.

    As for this new tribe exisiting to bless all other tribes – well, this hasn’t really worked out terribly well. Many other tribes have not been blessed. Present-day tribes are in danger of suffering military force at the hands of this tribe.

    I think I know what you’re getting at – that Jesus of this tribe is the One who is to set the record straight and to ensure the true fulfillment of the tribe and what it is meant to be and to bring about the promised blessing of other tribes, which in your interpretation means full acceptance of each and every person by Jesus and therefore God Himself.

    I believe that latter part of this to be true. The convoluted route the tribe has taken to get there confuses me a little – this tribe does seem to take decades or even centuries to meet their own objective! Even a (comparitively) short walk in the desert took them 40 years!

    Sadly, however, while Jesus does accept everyone warts ‘n’ all the church of whatever persuasion does not – that is unless the ‘everyone’ fits into some sort of box, so to speak. Ultimately, this is why people feel alienated from and by the church.

    Once again, not too unlike God’s efforts through the tribe to reach a blessed objective, the present-day church in the most part is Jesus’s obstacle to the true blessing he so wants to bestow.

    It is comforting that those of us who know Jesus away from organised church can find his blessing, along with fellowship in the most surprising of ways.

  3. Matt Hyam says:

    Thanks for that. I know that the standard view is that Nicodemus is intrigued but it is interesting that Jesus disagrees with virtually everything he says and then he seems to get exasperated in the end and directly challenges Nicodemus that he does not know anything!

    I agree with pretty much everything else you say. However far the people of God – before or after Jesus – have done of being the blessing they are meant to be, does not change what we were meant to be.

    It is sad that so many people who hold radical, challenging view cannot find a home in church. The church is poorer as a result and, there are not enough prophetic voices challenging from within.

    Bless you

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